THE GUARDIAN UK: Response: Don't believe the official 'conspiracy' theory (Tim Sparke, Prod. "Loose Change - Final Cut")

Response: Don't believe the official 'conspiracy' theory

We have to ask who stood to gain the most from the appalling events of 9/11, says Tim Sparke

Tuesday February 13, 2007
The Guardian

George Monbiot's explicit attack on the film Loose Change (A 9/11 conspiracy virus is sweeping the world ..., February 6) has no basis in fact. While we accept that there are flaws in the current version of the film, we stand by its overarching theme that the official "conspiracy" theory of 9/11, constructed in the hours, days, weeks and months after 9/11, is false.

In uncritically endorsing the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) report, Monbiot neglects to say that the collapse mechanism for the entire World Trade Centre building was never documented by NIST - it didn't see it as its job. Additionally, in accepting that the towers collapsed at virtually free-fall speed ("the weight of the collapsing top storeys generated a momentum the rest of the building could not arrest"), Monbiot shows no awareness that this explanation violates the law of conservation of momentum.

Monbiot also appears oblivious to NIST's failure to explain that, although fire could not have melted any steel, there were pools of molten metal under the rubble, and these pools remained molten for weeks after the collapse; that dozens of people, including firefighters, news reporters and fleeing victims, all reported massive explosions; the clear video evidence of explosions taking place; that virtually all the concrete was pulverised into tiny particles; the apparent disintegration of the central steel core; and the destruction of all the evidence from America's biggest crime scene, which was covertly transported to Asian and African shores before any forensic examination could take place.

Monbiot then endorses the idea that Building 7 collapsed because "thousands of gallons of diesel [were poured] on to the fire" - oblivious to the fact that, even if an enormous fire could have caused a symmetrical collapse (which required all 81 steel columns to miraculously fail simultaneously), there was, as photographs and eyewitnesses reveal, no enormous fire. Monbiot also appears unaware that several engineers and demolition experts, after studying videos, have declared that this collapse can only have been caused by explosives.

Monbiot suggests that thousands of people must have been involved in the conspiracy, as if the official story must therefore be true. We have no clue as to how many (though some suggest probably fewer than 1,000); but wasn't the Manhattan project, involving 100,000, kept secret, even from Vice-President Truman, until weeks before the first atom bomb was dropped?

Monbiot then suggests that CounterPunch - by refuting the film's claims - has to be correct, because it is a left-leaning newspaper. But acceptance of the official "conspiracy" theory is not a left or right political issue. It is about whether we should accept unconditionally a story which defeats the laws of physics, denies the abundance of witness testimony, and rejects video evidence put forward by an organisation, which, in hindsight, we know had the means, motive and opportunity, and also has a record of being economical with the truth.

We agree that our movie can't answer all the questions that millions of people now have - but the fact that Loose Change is the most downloaded film in internet history is the strongest argument for an honest public debate, and a truly independent inquiry. As we say in the 9/11 Truth Movement: ask questions, demand answers, investigate 9/11.

Tim Sparke is executive producer of Loose Change Final Cut. tim@joiningthedots.tv

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SOURCE - http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2011845,00.html

Webster Tarpley on 9/11 Truth vs. World War Three

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VIDEO: Dave Chappelle on The Game + Sen. Chris Dodd on a Bill Restoring The Constitution

Dave Chappelle at Radio City Music Hall

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SOURCE - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbU8Vz_2Uzg

Senator Dodd to introduce 'Restoring the Constitution Act of 2007'; Bans torture, restores habeas corpus

Raw Story
Tuesday, February 13, 2007

Senator Chris Dodd (D-CT) will introduce a bill called the "Restoring the Constitution Act of 2007" tomorrow, according to a website his presidential campaign put up today.

The bill will overturn parts of the "Military Commissions Act," signed into law last October, which suspends habeas corpus for "alien enemy combatants."

"I want to see us get back as a nation that supports the rule of law," said Dodd in an Internet video introducing the legislation. "That was our tradition, by and large, over the last fifty years ... and we've watched this administration retreat from those standards, and as a result I think the world is a more dangerous place today because we're unwilling to stand up for the rule of law."

According to the blog Blue Jersey, New Jersey Democratic senator Robert Menendez, who voted for the Military Commissions Act, will co-sponsor the bill.

A video of Dodd talking about the bill is below. The name of the bill has apparently changed since the video was created.

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SOURCE FOR SURVIVAL - http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2007/130207Dodd.htm

NOTE: We're on the verge of WW3, and if you don't "know" or "believe" this then that's my point.

hey beb,

no worries, i know that "subjective" truth is seen by many as the "smarter" thing to assume even though it's not, and we can all keep saying "how can you know?" about everything and never figure anything out, never trust each other enough to act, and never respect the people who can help us win.

so: we'll lose.

i'm not just saying it's "me" or preaching any loyalty to one source, i'm saying that we can know the truth if we want from certain people and react to it, and they are NOT the ones promoted by the corporations poisoning our food, minds, bodies and planet.

that includes this "2 year presidential campaign" and barack obama, a pretty-boy distraction ignoring iraq and acting "tough" on iran, who has us dreaming of january 2009 when a democratic president takes over instead of forcing the democrats in congress to do something to stop the Bushtapo now:

we're babies, and he's a rattle.

certain people have built up credibility with me, i've seen them be "right" or tell the "truth" in open defiance of the crap on TV over the years, and i haven't caught them lying and propagandizing. when they are "wrong" about some small detail, they apologize for it and humbly correct themselves, going for truth to "win" in knowing the true horror of what awaits us:

exhibit a: see what the same people in charge of us have done to the third world.

their analysis is completely different from people we know have lied to us - which makes sense since "honest" people say different things than "liars". most watch tv and say they "know" the media lies, but that's stupid since they don't "know" how much they lie, and are just guessing as to what they're missing.

we're on the verge of WW3, and if you don't "know" or "believe" this then that's my point. the most credible and incredible "experts" and "whistleblowers" challenging the official B.S. have been banished from the mass media, meaning they can only speak out on radio and the internet - and are doing so like crazy to stop us from self-destructing.

most people are saying what you say: we "can't" know the "truth", which means we can't "save" ourselves, because we "won't" listen to the people who've researched it harder than others - unlike the natural respect and open mind given to similar efforts in other disciplines.

this is "learned" behaviour from TV, not one's own opinion - which would be to assume someone who's studied something more would have more insight. it's part of the plan to keep us from trusting each other, and the "right" knows they don't have to win every argument, they just have to lie and muddy the debate enough to avoid "losing" it, leaving most people assuming there are "two sides" when in fact one is a lie.

see: "torture" vs. "don't torture", and recognize with the "War on Terror" and "War in Iraq" just getting worse and worse, the thousands of people being tortured are obviously "innocent" in providing no good intelligence. there's a lot more evidence of this, but if you stick to the mass media's version of the debate then you'll end up in a "tie", and the torture will continue, just like the war, spying and everything else - the results of your "you can't know the truth" theory.

we either figure out what the "lies" are or we ignore the police state soon sticking us in "FEMA camps", and the reason you say what you say is because it's what you are supposed to say to ensure we lose.

welcome to 21st century propaganda, we hope you enjoyed you stay, and will be leaving shortly...

peace,
bk

I don't think "God" was supposed to replace "Knowledge", and blind faith shouldn't beat an open mind.

Hey Y'all,

You're making everything that might happen up, while I'm going on the research I've done. This is how silly we've become, where we can fantasize about happiness around the corner instead of listen to the hard evidence of how to achieve it.

And yes, "global tyrants" have come and gone, but they've also ruled the World for hundreds of years, and this whole "freedom" thing is a relatively new and dying concept.

You "think", I "know", and that certainty has to be respected, if not from me than from someone else. We can't just "think" anymore, and the last few times we "thought" things weren't "that bad" we were wrong every single time.

The Dems don't "control" anything, as their impotence over the first month has proven, and rather than DO anything now they'd prefer to get us over-excited about what they might do in 2009, when one of them might take over the Presidency in January. They are pro-war and acting like it no matter what people voted them in to do, and they are distracting us from the bumper-to-bumper destroyers circling in the Persian Gulf ready to strike.

I know WW3 is scary, and if I didn't "know" we are on the verge of it I wouldn't say it. Your "best-case scenario" makes no sense when we've only seen the worst-case scenario so far, and closing our eyes when we have opportunities to learn won't endear us to anyone, neither the God we pray to nor the People we'll kill, at least not in my Book.

I don't think "God" was supposed to replace "Knowledge", and blind faith shouldn't beat an open mind. I have no respect for anyone of any faith who'd prefer to pray to God than use the tools God gave them, and just like the classic "flood" story, we have a car, a boat and a helicopter available if we want them to save ourselves.

Love, BK

An Even More Inconvenient Truth

Hey Y'all,

My take on Global Warming took what I'd already heard plus 15 minutes of Googling and a half-hour of typing. While I'm not expert on the environment, I am an expert on propaganda, and this is some beautiful 21st Century artwork. This is being promote everywhere - like "propaganda" always is - because it's not about "saving the environment", and if you really want to do something then stop the rain-forest from being burned down or get the fluoride out of our water-supply.

Details are below in a blog, but...

The main thing is: DON'T commit Canada to paying a Global Tax to a group of people working for the same corporations that have been destroying the environment. We have NO guarantees of how they're going to use it or whether any penalties will be successful, and countries and corporations have been in open violation of other "treaties" for years. The corporations own the mass media, and the main reason they are promoting the hell out of this as opposed to ANY other "environmental" causes is because it's a big fat lie, and it won't solve any environmental problem.

They didn't care before, and they don't care now.

For "AIDS", a few years ago they got a bunch of nice "liberal" or "progressive" people to make a giant blanket, or the "AIDS Quilt", and that didn't cure AIDS either.

It's a distraction, like giving a baby a rattle until they get bored with it, then a stuffed animal, then a dolly, and so on. After giving us nothing to cheer about for years they are ALL giving us this - and - I don't mean "agreeing" with it, I mean deciding this is what should be discussed for hours, and taking us like a nursery rhyme through a nice set of pro's and con's with a predetermined outcome.

Many of the people arguing will think it's "real" too, but they'll keep the best of the "This is B.S.!" arguments off the TV, and even if a weaker version gets too loud they'll just take them off too, or put people on who are supposed to lose their own arguments. Most pundits on TV get a few thousand dollars and appearance, and they know what they are supposed to say if they want to be invited back.

The most obvious example is the "left" or "antiwar" people on "Fox News" who either stutter, act retarded, look like crap or essentially agree with the pro-war side by the end of the show. That's the "fake debate" crap that got Heckle and Jeckle addicted to thinking people like me are stupid - you can rent "OutFoxed" for more on that. I could easily kick the asses of anyone on TV, and so could the people I listen to, but none of us are invited on "Fox" or "CNN" and barely seen anywhere else.

With no "real" information, stupid and macho we can't "cut-and-run" 3-word arguments begin to make sense. With nothing else to argue about, both the "left" and the "right" babble away about "both sides" of an issue they don't even understand, and as if the "shame" of ending the "wars" is reason to continue torturing and killing millions of innocent people based on a bunch of lies and hugely corrupt profiteering that's never meant to end because people are making trillions off selling weapons.

In fact, about $2-3 trillion a year is "unaccounted for" or "missing" or "stolen" from the Pentagon, depending on what you want to call "theft", and that's their own numbers from an ABC News rarity and other sources.

Our media is a great system, because unlike the people of Communist Russia or China, we don't "know" we're being "propagandized". Any dictator in history would DREAM of our media system, because it makes using violence to screw people both more hidden and less necessary. It's a clever trick, because "Fox News" also makes everyone else look reasonable - and the "CBC" like the Word of God itself.

Joseph Goebbels, the Nazi Minister of Propaganda, said what you want in a perfect (Nazi) media system is "An ostensible diversity that conceals an actual uniformity", and that's what we have with 2 owners of the mass media in Canada and 5 owners in the U.S. all making us think they're disagreeing when they're just talking nonsense to hide the truth.

It's a lie, because while they all "touch" on "truth" once in a while, it's not what they "promote" day-after-day (like O.J.!) to get us inspired or angry or informed enough to do anything about it. What you see covered for weeks is a big bunch of garbage meant to tell you a story you'll forget in a few months, like the "Quebec Sponsorship Scandal", the biggest thing in the World until it became completely unimportant. You can see it, and as the World keeps getting worse what we keep learning on TV doesn't seem to be helping, training us to live with powerlessness and failure.

The main reason they are using "Global Warming" to scare us into feeling even more guilty is to get us to "sacrifice", or pay "taxes", which have been the basis for "government" for thousands of years. People agreed to give up a portion of what they have in exchange for a central body that organizes their society, it's always the same, and when "taxes" get too crazy is when people usually revolt, like the U.S. kicking the British out with the "Boston Tea Party" and American Revolution. These days taxes are crazy everywhere but governments and corporations have bought and sold themselves a lot of guns and mass media brainwashing-machines, so revolts are rarer than they would be in countries where most people are suffering.

Taxes are also incredibly evil because nobody understands them. They can be raised arbitrarily and justified using the "media" in a "democracy", where people are kept uninformed and don't discuss "politics" because it's depressing - giving the TV the chance to form their only opinions. As prices go up, instead of really telling us why, they just make complex excuses and scare the hell out of us, and get the rich to argue with the poor over whether the "government" is good or not. The middle-class then endorses screwing poor people while both sides become more selfish and spiritually and morally weaker, after all you can't be jerks forever and feel good about it.

Then, when nobody knows what's happening, the super-rich steal even more from the weak and stupid middle-class to empower an "upper-middle-class", or Bush's "tax-cuts for the rich", who then argue that the "Government is good!" and for screwing the middle-class. So, another fight is created while big chunks of the middle-class begin to join the poor - as is happening now. They keep slicing off the bottom layers of society until the only people in control are 5% at the top while another 10% fight to join them, giving them enough political clout to maintain an unjust system.

By the way, this isn't my "theory", this is the Third World.

Now they are making us feel "smart" and "good" for "saving the environment" while teaching us how to get "angry" at anyone who disagrees like they are "destroying" it, rendering any rational conversation useless. It's just like the Bushites who get angry when anyone disagrees with or criticizes "the President", proving it's not just "Bush" supporters but rather anyone who can be stampeded into ignorant anger. That's what "Al Gore" and his status are doing, and if he's so "angry" and knows what he's talking about, then apparently we should get "angry" too, and accuse anyone else of being a "Bush/Harper supporter" or in "denial", or of committing treason against Mother Nature Herself.

They are getting the 80% of people who hate "Bush" or "Harper" or "Right-wing nuts" to rush behind this solution because it's empowering a Global Government being built and created out of "taxes", and if you think fighting "property tax" in "Smallton" is tough, wait until you have to petition Geneva, Switzerland for others, or wherever.

When you want to complain they won't listen, and will send local Canadian cops to enforce the "agreement" anyway, because of course "Canada must fulfill her 'obligations' to Kyoto!" against Canadian citizens - NOT corporations and government. Then the Global Governance-body (if you prefer) will create some new "scare" and raise "taxes", maybe "Tsunami's!" and a "Danger-pay tax!" on shipping-goods, and bit-by-bit they'll keep scaring us with some "disaster" and selling us their fake solutions, growing the centralization of global government and corporate power.

Canada has already been in violation of numerous environmental treaties with no repercussions, and if we sign any deals like this then we'll end up paying for it while our governments and corporations get-off scot-free - just like they're doing now. No one can explain the "plan" to me, just that we should get behind it, and how all their environmental "fears'n'fantasies" justify it. I'm sorry, but until someone can explain exactly what the hell is happening and how this is going to solve it, I'm not buying it.

There you go, just a little window into my World, and since I avoid being confused and scared by the liars on TV, this stuff is just a Digestive Cookie... ;)

Love, BK

P.S. Here is the original with links and clips...


HISTORY in 10 mins + The Noam/11 Conspiracy + Global Warming = Global Taxing: Don't believe the liars lying again! JUST SAY NO!!!

http://blackkrishna.blogspot.com/2007/02/history-in-10-mins-noam11-conspiracy.html