CIA holds captives in secret prisons abroad: report... "And if the Nazi's made deals, these are the deals they would make."

Okay, I haven't read the article yet.

And, I don't friggin' care.

I'll read it in a minute, but I gotta say: this is completely insane.

If there's one thing that bears repeating on this issue, it's clearly this:


THEY ARE TORTURING INNOCENT MEN, WOMEN AND CHILDREN!!!


How do I know they are innocent?

Well, I've got facts.

But, so do you.

So, screw the facts, here's some logic for you...


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Suppose that torturing detainees "works" even after hundreds of experts said it doesn't, and that you get no good information through coercion when you could befriend them and cut deals with them in captivity.

But, suppose you still believe it works, after all, it makes sense: if someone whupped your ass badly enough for 3 or 4 hours you'd probably talk, so in 3 or 4 years you'd be singing like friggin' Pavarotti.

Fair enough, I understand your logic.

But check this out:


HOW COME THE WAR IS GOING SO FREAKIN' BADLY???


Assuming you had Mohammed in captivity, or "Mo" for short, and you decide to torture him for a bit to see if he had any information. So, you take Mo and you beat the hell out of him, and ask him to reveal something, ANYTHING, that could help you win the ubiquitous "War on Terror".

So Mo says: "Ahhh! Okay, enough, you win! Tell you what, there's a huge cache of weapons in a warehouse on the outskirts of Basra, it's 3 miles north of the city limits. Just take Abdullah Road north to Mustafa Avenue, hang a right, pass Niaze Crescent, and on your left-hand side is a yellow building full of insurgent blow-'em-up-real-good-toys hidden in the basement. Go ahead, check it out for yourself, trust me, you can't miss it, and I'm not going anywhere. Now please, get your evil-cracka foot outta my ass. Thanks".

Okay, so Mo is still held in captivity, and all you have to do is send your troops in Iraq to where Mo said the stash was, find it, confiscate it, and send word back that Mo speaks the truth and the ass-whuppin's worked.

But, that hasn't happened.

They are obviously getting no good intelligence from torturing innocent victims as is conclusively proven by the war in Iraq getting worse and worse and worse and worse and worse...


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In fact, no Al-Qaeda leaders have been found at Guantanamo.

This has been admitted, and these Nazi's would certainly trumpet any they found to prove this disgusting mess works.

In fact, according to the New York Times and other publications, a few thousand Taliban were airlifted by the U.S. military out of Afghanistan and into Pakistan just before the post-9/11 invasion to ensure they could keep the fighting going.

Or maybe because the father-figure relationship the CIA has from creating the Taliban and Al-Qaeda to fight the Soviets gave them a big ol' warm-fuzzy.


Here, I even Googled it for ya...

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/24/international/asia/24AFGH.html?ex=1131080400&en=31d2f4a3631c7f40&ei=5070

http://prisonplanet.com/the_airlift_of_evil.html

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity.jsp?id=1521846767-1109


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So, the war keeps getting worse, they are building 14 new military based in Iraq, and they sure as hell aren't leaving until they're finished completely controlling the entire region, including Syria, Iran, Libya... and anywhere else they want.

So: why are they torturing innocent Muslims?

It's simple: to train people to torture people.

Once you have people willing to torture people, they come in very handy when you want to torture people. And once you decide to torture people, then you can pick and choose who you want to torture whenever you want with ease knowing you have the manpower willing and ready and able to torture people.

And then...

...you torture people.

Perhaps eventually...

...even people like us.


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For their big plans to resurrect the 4th Reich and take over the whole world forever and ever and ever, check this out...


The Endgame: Neo-Continuity...

Friday, August 19, 2005

http://blackkrishna.blogspot.com/2005/08/endgame-neo-continuity.html


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I wish us luck...


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The logo of the Central Intelligence Agency is swept clean in the lobby of the CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia. (Jason Reed/Reuters)

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CIA holds captives in secret prisons abroad: report

By Joanne Allen 13 minutes ago

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The CIA has been hiding and interrogating al Qaeda captives at a secret facility in Eastern Europe, part of a covert global prison system that has included sites in eight countries and was set up after the September 11, 2001, attacks, The Washington Post reported on Wednesday.

The secret network included "several democracies in Eastern Europe" as well as Thailand and Afghanistan, the newspaper reported, but it did not publish the names of the European countries at the request of senior U.S. officials.

U.S. government officials declined comment on the report, but it was likely to stir up fresh criticism of the Bush administration's treatment of prisoners in its declared war on terrorism since the September 11 attacks.

Russia and Bulgaria immediately denied any facility was there. Thailand also denied it was host to such a facility.

The newspaper, which said its report was based on information from U.S. and foreign officials familiar with the arrangement, said the existence and locations of the facilities were known only to a handful of officials in the United States and, usually, only to the president and a few top intelligence officers in each host country.

The CIA has not acknowledged the existence of a secret prison network, the newspaper said.

Air Force Gen. Michael Hayden, principal deputy to Director of National Intelligence John Negroponte, declined to comment when asked about the report at a news conference in San Antonio where he delivered a speech about intelligence reforms.

"I'm not here to talk about that," he said.

White House spokesman Scott McClellan said, "I'm not going to get into specific intelligence activities. I will say that the president's most important responsibility is to protect the American people."

The Bush administration's policy toward prisoners taken in Afghanistan and Iraq has come under heavy criticism at home and abroad. Inmate abuse at Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison was strongly condemned in the Muslim world and among U.S. allies while many have called for more openness about those being held at a U.S. navy base at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba.

On Tuesday, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld spurned a request by U.N. human rights investigators and denied them the opportunity to meet with detainees at the Guantanamo prison for foreign terrorism suspects.

But the administration also faced problems at home. In an October 5 bipartisan vote, the Senate approved 90-9 an amendment to regulate the Pentagon's handling of military detainees by establishing rules for their interrogation and treatment despite strong White House opposition.

'BLACK SITES'

According to the Washington Post, the prisons are referred to as "black sites" in classified U.S. documents and virtually nothing is known about who the detainees are, how they are interrogated or about decisions on how long they will be held.

About 30 major terrorism suspects have been held at black sites while more than 70 other detainees, considered less important, were delivered to foreign intelligence services under a process known as "rendition," the paper said, citing U.S. and foreign intelligence sources.

The top 30 al Qaeda prisoners are isolated from the outside world, have no recognized legal rights and no one outside the CIA is allowed to talk with or see them, the sources told the newspaper.

The paper, citing several former and current intelligence and other U.S. government officials, said the CIA used such detention centers abroad because in the United States it is illegal to hold prisoners in such isolation.

The Washington Post said it was not publishing the names of the Eastern European countries involved in the covert program at the request of senior U.S. officials who argued that disclosure could disrupt counterterrorism efforts or make the host countries targets for retaliation.

The secret detention system was conceived shortly after the September 11 attacks on New York and Washington, when the working assumption was that another strike was imminent, the report said.

Russia's FSB security service, the main KGB-successor agency that leads the country's battle against militant violence, denied any such facilities on its territory.

"You can say for sure that this is not in Russia," said FSB spokesman Nikolai Zakharov.

Bulgarian Foreign Ministry spokesman Dimitar Tsanchev said, "We do not have any such facilities and there are no foreign detainees kept secretly in Bulgaria."

Thai government spokesman Surapong Suebwonglee said, "There is no fact in the unfounded claims," but added Bangkok was probably mentioned because it helped catch Hambali, an Indonesian accused of being Osma bin Laden's key link to Southeast Asia, in 2003.

Thailand's security cooperation with the United States would have to be done "in an open and legitimate manner," he said.

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BONUS: Oh well, at least we can still get high...

Yahoo! News

Denver Voters OK Marijuana Possession

By JON SARCHE, Associated Press Writer Wed Nov 2, 7:40 AM ET

DENVER - Residents of the Mile High City have voted to legalize the possession of small amounts of marijuana for adults. Authorities, though, said state possession laws will be applied instead.

With 100 percent of precincts reporting early Wednesday, 54 percent, or 56,001 voters, cast ballots for the ordinance, while 46 percent, or 48,632 voters, voted against it.

Under the measure, residents over 21 years old could possess up to an ounce of marijuana.

"We educated voters about the facts that marijuana is less harmful to the user and society than alcohol," said Mason Tvert, campaign organizer for SAFER, or Safer Alternatives For Enjoyable Recreation. "To prohibit adults from making the rational, safer choice to use marijuana is bad public policy."

Bruce Mirken of the Washington, D.C.-based Marijuana Policy Project said he hoped the approval will launch a national trend toward legalizing a drug whose enforcement he said causes more problems than it cures.

Seattle, Oakland, Calif., and a few college towns already have laws making possession the lowest law enforcement priority.

The Denver proposal seemed to draw at least as much attention for supporters' campaign tactics as it did for the question of legalizing the drug.

Tvert argued that legalizing marijuana would reduce consumption of alcohol, which he said leads to higher rates of car accidents, domestic and street violence and crime.

The group criticized Mayor John Hickenlooper for opposing the proposal, noting his ownership of a popular brewpub. It also said recent violent crimes — including the shootings of four people last weekend — as a reason to legalize marijuana to steer people away from alcohol use.

Those tactics angered local officials and some voters. Opponents also said it made no sense to prevent prosecution by Denver authorities while marijuana charges are most often filed under state and federal law.

The measure would not affect the medical marijuana law voters approved in 2000. In June, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that medical marijuana laws in Colorado and nine other states would not protect licensed users from federal prosecution.

Also Tuesday, voters in the ski resort town of Telluride rejected a proposal to make possession of an ounce or less of marijuana by people 18 or older the town's lowest law enforcement priority. The measure was rejected on a vote of 308-332.

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